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From: Paratroopa1 | Posted: 10/23/2003 8:54:24 PM
Right, v4.0 finally reached 500 after almost four months of working on No Boost Ball & Space Jump and a lot of bumping, so... here's v5.0!

First things first. As many of you already know, Geothermal Core was recently solved without Boost Ball, and thanks to Trebor, no Boost Ball was confirmed and the new low% has been brought down to an incredible 22%! Now here's the bad part; we're running out of things to skip. We've been looking at Space Jump for a long time now, but first we need to beat the game without it, without 22% conditions. Beating the game without Space Jump, Spider Ball, AND Grapple Beam is quite a ways off, so we figure it's best to start with just no Space Jump, but collecting other items.

Fortunately, NSJ is well within our reach. The only unsolved room left is Geothermal Core (again), and that's being worked on, so a solution will probably be coming up. However, all of the rooms after Geo Core have to be confirmed. We know for sure that Space Jump affects Grapple Beam ability adversely, and it seems that it slightly affects single jump ability as well, but we're not 100% sure about that. All of the rooms have been done by just not using the Space Jump Boots (yes, including Impact Crater), but they need to actually be done without SJ.

After SJ's officially been cut out, I guess we'll start working towards 21%, but it's not going to be easy by any means. Many, many rooms still need solving for 21%, because to skip SJ currently, Spider Ball and Grapple Beam are needed.

Now then...

Metroid Prime High Scores

Normal any%
1. kip 1:23 (33%)
2. Radix37 1:34 (38%)
3. CAL Foolio 1:39 (43%)
<<<PAL>>> z0idi 1:40 (41%)
<<<PAL>>> Andrew Mills 1:49 (52%)

Hard any%
1. Radix37 1:45 (33%)
2. Gold Leader 1:58 (31%)
3. CAL Foolio 2:49 (100%)
<<<PAL>>> Andrew Mills 2:35 (47%)
<<<PAL>>>

Normal Low%
1. TreborSelbon 1:57 (23%)
2. gamecubeman27 2:29 (23%)
3. Radix37 2:31 (23%)
<<<PAL>>> Andrew Mills 3:39 (23%)
<<<PAL>>> JDAdams 7:54 (24%)

Hard Low%
1. TreborSelbon 3:10 (23%)
2. kip 4:00 (24%)
3. Gold Leader 4:01 (26%)
<<<PAL>>>
<<<PAL>>>

Normal 100%
1. Radix37 2:10
2. CAL Foolio 2:19
3. TreborSelbon 2:25
<<<PAL>>> Andrew Mills 3:10
<<<PAL>>> Madzombie 3:56

Hard 100%
1. Radix37 2:12
2. CAL Foolio 2:49
3. MetaRidley2 3:15
<<<PAL>>>
<<<PAL>>>

Frigate Escape Times (Time remaining)
1. kip 4:22.05
2. CAL Foolio 4:20.65
3. njahnke 4:17.20
<<<PAL>>> Andrew Mills 4:11.78
<<<PAL>>>

There's still six empty PAL slots, so get those filled up! In addition, there aren't any 22% scores up yet, so anyone who's brave enough, keep that in mind for a low% score; any time will get you up there right now.

Well, that should cover everything. For more about the NSJ game, 22%, and other Sequence Breaking information, visit http://metroid.retrofaction.com, as always.
From: Radix37 | Posted: 10/23/2003 8:59:25 PM
This didn't make it to the high scores from the last topic, so i'll post it again: hard 100% in 2:09. Yeah that makes hard faster than normal :-p I'm working like crazy on normal, and I've actually got better than 2:10 (by a lot) but won't post the time until I'm done.
From: Refreshment | Posted: 10/23/2003 9:02:15 PM
This is the first time i take notice of the scores. Some of then are really amazing so i have a question.

Why havent you send a video to the rankings sites and set a new record? Because if memory serves right, i think they still have the old one.
From: Paratroopa1 | Posted: 10/23/2003 9:05:52 PM
Also, I forgot Trebor's time of 2:20 for 22%, which is, being the only 22% time, the #1 low% time. Hey, don't blame me, I used the most recent update from v4.0, so I missed a couple of things. =P
From: Radix37 | Posted: 10/23/2003 9:10:12 PM
When I finish my normal 100% (real soon now...) I'll make the vids i've been recording public for everyone's pleasure! ;-)
From: CALFoolio | Posted: 10/23/2003 9:11:46 PM
nice job with the initial part5 post para.

am i still on the high scores list? o_O

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From: Radix37 | Posted: 10/23/2003 9:14:37 PM
yeah cal, we haven't had enough people to knock off your old crap times yet. Why do you think I keep trying to get people to speed run? Come on guys knock off that 2:49 for hard 100%!
From: Banks17 | Posted: 10/23/2003 11:32:49 PM
Why havent you send a video to the rankings sites and set a new record? Because if memory serves right, i think they still have the old one.

To my knowledge, kip did send his videos to Twin Galaxies. I guess they haven't had the time for a ref to review it yet /shrug
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From: TreborSelbon | Posted: 10/24/2003 2:07:04 AM
To commemorate the new topic, I'll post a relatively mediocre time, at least considering what I could have.

Normal 23%, 1:45

Can definitely get lower, possibly much lower, depending on the cooperativeness of Prime's second form.

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From: kyoopihd | Posted: 10/24/2003 3:03:10 AM
I haven't been to this board for a few weeks now, and I'm thinking one thing, and one thing only...

Radix, I want to just watch you play this game... Right now.
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From: Radix37 | Posted: 10/24/2003 3:54:05 AM
Wow I'm flattered. I actually got a part12 earlier for my 100%... first time I made it out of the mines, but I made so many mistakes I'm trying some more next week (can't play this weekend). So maybe in a week you can watch me play :-\
From: Refreshment | Posted: 10/24/2003 5:23:43 AM
Trebor a 1:45 for 23%, thats inzane.

Basically if you try an any percent game you could get below 1:20 obviously. So im looking forward to see one of your any percent games.

And thats the path you have in the FAQs or is another one?

Radix, you are going to make your videos available. Thats great finally well be able to see some of these incredible runs for real. Also looking forward to these runs.
From: B4hness | Posted: 10/24/2003 1:04:31 PM
No matter how many times I try I don't seem to get the space jump boots as first time.

I always fail at the last part dashing from your space ship to the ledge.

(I'm on PAL)
From: Andrew Mills | Posted: 10/24/2003 1:14:43 PM
B4hness | matter how many times I try I don't seem to get the space jump boots as first time.

I always fail at the last part dashing from your space ship to the ledge.

(I'm on PAL)

Try this out for size, if you haven't already:

www.samus.co.uk/mprime/sj_first.shtml

Movie and full instructions on how to do it on the PAL/US/Japanese Versions of the game. Hope that helps/

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From: Videogaming | Posted: 10/24/2003 5:09:39 PM
Lazy, lazy...if you're gonna post an update on the first post at least do it right :)

Metroid Prime High Scores

Normal any%
1. kip 1:23 (33%)
2. Radix37 1:34 (38%)
3. CAL Foolio 1:39 (43%)
<<<PAL>>> z0idi 1:40 (41%)
<<<PAL>>> Andrew Mills 1:49 (52%)

Hard any%
1. Radix37 1:45 (33%)
2. Gold Leader 1:58 (31%)
3. CAL Foolio 2:49 (100%)
<<<PAL>>> Andrew Mills 2:35 (47%)
<<<PAL>>>

Normal Low%
1. TreborSelbon 2:20 (22%)
2. TreborSelbon 1:45 (23%)
3. gamecubeman27 2:29 (23%)
<<<PAL>>> Andrew Mills 3:39 (23%)
<<<PAL>>> JDAdams 7:54 (24%)

Hard Low%
1. TreborSelbon 3:10 (23%)
2. kip 4:00 (24%)
3. Gold Leader 4:01 (26%)
<<<PAL>>>
<<<PAL>>>

Normal 100%
1. Radix37 2:10
2. CAL Foolio 2:19
3. TreborSelbon 2:25
<<<PAL>>> Andrew Mills 3:10
<<<PAL>>> Madzombie 3:56

Hard 100%
1. Radix37 2:09
2. CAL Foolio 2:49
3. MetaRidley2 3:15
<<<PAL>>>
<<<PAL>>>

Frigate Escape Times (Time remaining)
1. kip 4:22.05
2. CAL Foolio 4:20.65
3. njahnke 4:17.20
<<<PAL>>> Andrew Mills 4:11.78
<<<PAL>>>

There are still 6 empty PAL slots...

I also put up Trebor twice in the low# category because his is the best 23% time, and that should be up there, even if it means he gets two slots...we can knock it off if two more people get a 22% game completed :)
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From: gamecubeman27 | Posted: 10/24/2003 9:37:39 PM
i'll see what i can do. might take me some time because school is not treating me to well right now, so i have little time for MP (or any videogames).
From: TreborSelbon | Posted: 10/24/2003 10:59:36 PM
When a few more people complete 22% games, we should have seperate categories for 22% and 23%. The reason for this is because there are some big differences between the two other than just dropping an item. Mainly, speed. 22% is not built for speed, while 23% is.

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From: Freezer the cool | Posted: 10/25/2003 3:21:42 AM
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From: SolrFlare | Posted: 10/25/2003 3:26:52 AM
And heaven help us if we manage to pull a 21% game...cause that will be very anti speed.
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From: B4hness | Posted: 10/25/2003 4:49:36 AM
Andrew Mills thanks for the link, but I already know about it ;) I've seen the film and read the instructions several times. But no matter how hard I try I seem to fail :(

Does it matter at which hz mode you play?
From: CrimsonMatrix | Posted: 10/25/2003 5:30:04 AM
Believe me bud, I still hate dash jumps. My only tip is uis once you start scanning don't take your time, mash right on the stick, hold it there double tap B and release L. The trick is pulling of the dash then imediately relaseing L.
From: kip | Posted: 10/25/2003 9:26:20 AM
i got 3 > 2 just now with a dbj ladder, so let's focus on the other problem.

if someone wants to find an easier way to do 3 > 2, that's fine but i think the other problem should be solved first, so that we can at least attempt to finish our files while whoever works on that easier method. the other problem is the only reason we still can't try for plasma.

also need to get everyone's opinion on whether the other problem should be attempted with 2 down or raised.
From: kip | Posted: 10/25/2003 10:54:33 AM
hmm i went from 1 (raised) to 2 (down) easily... something isn't right i think. it's probably having space jump. i'll try it again without, if it still works then there shouldn't be anything stopping any attempt to finish the game besides not being able to do a certain part.
From: kip | Posted: 10/25/2003 11:22:25 AM
yeah, i'm sure space jump is doing something, which probably also means 3 > 2 can't actually be done with a dbj ladder.

i don't understand how you run a legitimate test in this game anymore. next thing you know the phazon beam won't work because you don't space jump.

but it's stuff like this that made me insist things like life grove being done under exact 22% conditions before considering it possible.
From: Shere Khan | Posted: 10/25/2003 12:13:47 PM
Trebor, it's hard enough getting entries in the hard low% category with them all combined >_> it will be years before three 23% hard entries AND three 22% hard entries are submitted
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From: Tzyr | Posted: 10/25/2003 12:44:25 PM
Well done kip.
Like I mentioned before, hopefully the help sj gives does not effect this one..and I stil hope it is true :/
I will try w/o sj to do 1 > 2 for if that is possible..at least 3 > 2 might be in our grasp..I hope :/ this room will be a pain in the butt for if we fall after getting 1 > 2, we would have to reset the room so we could do it again :/
From: gamer201 | Posted: 10/27/2003 12:25:47 AM
Since this is related to sequence breaking, I figure I'll ask here:

I've only recently started practicing the kick-ass art that is sequence breaking, and I was kinda wondering if I can be judged as good, based on this info:

I have gotten Plasma Beam before Spider Ball(used it on Thardus, seems kinda overrated)(this should also tell you I got Ice Beam early).

I have gotten Grapple Beam without using Spider Ball(I had it, but I laid off it, I wanted to do it the hard way).

I have gotten to Central Dynamo with X-Ray Visor(wow, I didn't know Invisible Drone had a shield...).

It was very sweet indeed when I Space Jumped across the room with Hive Totem to get the Missile Launcher without a fight(not to mention finding out that HT reflects Missiles when I used them on it).

I got Wavebuster as the first item after Wave Beam.

I had the Ice Spreader before the Thermal Visor(I'd skip the visor if I knew where Power Conduits and things were).

I've discovered that fighting 3 Chozo Ghosts without the Super Missile, but with more Energy Tanks than I should have, isn't really all that bad.

So, can I be called a good sequence breaker based on this information?

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From: Tzyr | Posted: 10/27/2003 12:37:31 AM
Dun think of it as being a good or bad sequence breaker cause you can do certain tricks. This as it more you are getting better at this game and that if you are enjoying it, why not continue further? A good sequence breaker is one who discovers new things (for themselves, and hopefully it is new in general so it helps others).
The main goal is to have fun (yeah, I know, bad cliche)..but for me, just exploring and finding better and more efficient ways is quite fun.
Another thing you should consider is what benifits do you get from getting items out of order? You just doing them to say you did them? Cause two reasons why I know sequence breaking is used is to make a room/boss easier, or to find a faster way of doing something for speed runs. The fastests times are 1:23 for normal and 1:45 for hard (any %)...you get those times from skill, but also figuring out really efficient ways of getting through the game as fast as you can.
From: gamer201 | Posted: 10/27/2003 10:33:55 AM
Another thing you should consider is what benifits do you get from getting items out of order?

*pictures Space Pirates running right at me only to meet my Plasma Beam from point-blank range, and then others falling dead after just one shot and some burning* Ah, good times...
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From: gamer201 | Posted: 10/27/2003 3:40:48 PM
Okay, I'm in a tight spot in Metroid Quarantine A. I don't have the Spider Ball, and I want to see what the Phazon Ball looks like without it. So, what I want to know is if there's another way to reach the door in there. Here's the trouble:

1. I could use the "Freeze a Metroid the Scan-Dash Jump to the ledge" trick, except for one thing: While I was in Phendrana, going after the Gravity Suit, when I was in Research Lab Aether, I didn't think ahead and I scanned the Metroid in there. Then I saved. I lost the use of this method.

2. There is no way in HELL I'll be able to get the trick with the "Scan-Dash jump from the Missile Expansion into a Twisting L-Lock Space Jump" right anytime in this life.

So, is there another way to do it? If not, could someone at least give me a link to a screenshot of the Phazon Ball w/o Spider Ball, or is it the same as Gravity Ball?
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From: LeCoureur103 | Posted: 10/27/2003 5:35:27 PM
gamer201, I'm pretty sure you can still do dash jumps off of scanned things. Just turn on the scan visor, tap L, and do a dash extremely quickly, before the information on the scan point is brought up. I'm PRETTY sure I've done that sort of thing before, but if not, good luck with the other method...
From: gamer201 | Posted: 10/27/2003 6:17:19 PM
Dammit... I've been trying since a few minutes after that posts, but I still can't get it... Could I just get a link to a screenshot of the Phazon Ball w/o Spider? I've officially given up on it, and would rather backtrack and kick some Thardus ass than keep this **** up...
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From: Cpt Izumi | Posted: 10/27/2003 6:23:29 PM
gamer, i've found the best way to do the missile expansion one is to actually lock on, then dash over to the other side but PULL BACK on the control stick while you're dashing. this will cause you to slide along the wall and you'll reach the platform MUCH easier. it took me hours to figure this out so i hope you take my advice ;)
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From: MetaRidley2 | Posted: 10/27/2003 6:53:29 PM
i think the phazon ball wont look black an red/orange.. unless you have spider..? it'll just stay the same as your vaira suit ball looks like.. like if you get Gravity First the ball will be Varia though you have Gravity..?
Donno though.. =(
From: Cpt Izumi | Posted: 10/27/2003 7:24:07 PM
oh by the way gamer...you need a lot more than a few minutes of practice
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From: CtrlAltDestroy2 | Posted: 10/27/2003 9:01:47 PM
Phazon ball without Spider ball/Gravity ball is orange. It looks exactly the same.

By the way, you can still COMBAT VISOR DASH off of the frozen metroid. Use my strategy. Run through the room ignoring all the metroids until you get to the wall you must power bomb. Bomb it, bomb the second one, then kill all metroids around you. Then carefully make it up to that beam in the ceiling. Then shoot one of the metroids down by the door with a single power beam shot so that it comes after you. Freeze it, then dash. It's not that hard.
From: gamer201 | Posted: 10/27/2003 9:05:53 PM
*feels like a major ass after CAD's post* And this didn't occur to me why?...
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From: gamer201 | Posted: 10/27/2003 9:56:20 PM
Y'know, I haven't tried this, but would it work to get the Metroid on the side you're jumping to, freeze it, jump on it, look down at it(might need to charge the Ice Beam), lock on, then dash jump sideways, right at the door?
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From: TreborSelbon | Posted: 10/28/2003 12:23:27 AM
The Morph Ball with the Phazon Suit is nothing special without Spider. It's just the regular Power Suit Ball. Not the Varia, mind you.

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From: Destroyer F | Posted: 10/28/2003 3:49:22 AM
just letting you guys know:
We have made it into burn drome WITHOUT morph ball!!!
but it was on a 100% game

no morphball is VERY close now
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From: CrimsonMatrix | Posted: 10/28/2003 5:23:37 AM
Sweet!
From: Grim Death | Posted: 10/28/2003 9:53:35 PM
Can OP be hurt by Power Bombs in Morph Ball/Combat Visor? If he can, we may be able to stomp his ass into the mud without X-Ray Visor and make a 21% game possible, or even 20% if the SW Researchers can do No Morph Ball...
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From: Radix37 | Posted: 10/28/2003 10:21:55 PM
Of course he can't... you think that hasn't been tried in 11 months? No matter what, you have to have x-ray up to hurt OP, it's already been discussed to death. Frankly i'm quite glad, doing prime w/o thermal is bad enough!
From: gamer201 | Posted: 10/28/2003 10:27:22 PM
Dammit to Hell... Oh well, this is one resourceful-ass group, so they'll probably figure something out sooner or later to skip his ass or something... Hell, they may even be able to make the Troopers shoot at him and hurt him that way, who the hell knows?
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From: njahnke | Posted: 10/28/2003 10:55:32 PM
intriguing.
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From: Andrew Mills | Posted: 10/29/2003 11:29:10 AM
Welcome to a brand new - and fully legitamite - Sequence Break brought to you by the imagination of z0idi and the talents of Destroyer F (for finding SW9 in the 1st place).

z0idi has managed to collect the Morphball BEFORE missiles. How? Well, basically, you enter SW9 (chozo main plaza) and then open the missile door to Ruined Shrine from the back with the normal gun. Work your way (preferably by wallcrawling) all the way to the ruined shrine.

Simply walk to the middle, trigger the cut-scene, beat the beetles and collect the morphball. Now get onto the half-pipe, jump onto the solid branch, and collect the missiles at the top. Use these to exit back to the main plaza.

VIOLA! Morphball upgrade before Missiles. And perfectally do-able without an AR2. Not exactly speedy or that useful, but it still works and is a legitimate sequence break. =)

Movie and screens to be made of it by this weekend (maybe even tonight). Congrats again to z0idi and Destroyer F.

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From: kip | Posted: 10/30/2003 8:12:24 AM
"When a few more people complete 22% games, we should have seperate categories for 22% and 23%. The reason for this is because there are some big differences between the two other than just dropping an item. Mainly, speed. 22% is not built for speed, while 23% is."

i sort of disagree with this; has low % ever really been built for speed since charge was dropped? charge made the biggest time difference of anything. it's just a challenge... and then whoever happens to have the lowest time just has the higher place.

i think the current system is fine with the lower % having priority over a better time, or maybe it should just become 22% only since it's the lowest. it doesn't matter much in the end though; your times will be 1st. =\

disguised bump if you couldn't tell.
From: SeeAlso | Posted: 10/30/2003 1:43:28 PM
This may be a little off topic, but I have a qusestion of opinion about a low percent run:

When going from main quarry to Elite Research to get the Artifact of Warrior, Is it easier to backtrack to main quarry after getting it and just continuing to central dynamo through waste disposal?

Hope that made sense...
From: Cpt Izumi | Posted: 10/30/2003 11:06:39 PM
bumpity
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From: Radix37 | Posted: 10/30/2003 11:54:32 PM
SeeAlso: i'd say go back to main quarry. You don't have to deal with the trooeprs and turrets in elite research, ore the w/o spider method of ore processing.
From: TreborSelbon | Posted: 10/31/2003 11:24:06 PM
You make a good point, kip.

But either way, I don't think time itself will be a huge problem, unless you let it be. You can always restart if you don't do something like Geo Core or Vent Shaft on the first try. =P

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From: zell99 | Posted: 11/1/2003 1:18:01 PM
O_O
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From: njahnke | Posted: 11/1/2003 3:19:57 PM
lol...

trebor is one of a kind.
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From: Treize Knight | Posted: 11/1/2003 11:05:54 PM
I still have great doubts about some of these times and how you can defeat the bosses with such effeciency... (Then again, I perfer to play the game without sequence breaking and I feel it ruins some of the experence if you do)

Still, defeating Omega Pirate and Meta Ridley with 99 energy?

I bet it was posted, but I'd like to hear the stratagy of beating those two

Unless you use Action Replay, then that opens up a whole new field...

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From: Radix37 | Posted: 11/1/2003 11:19:40 PM
"I still have great doubts about some of these times and how you can defeat the bosses with such effeciency"

bwhahah....... doubt this: Normal 100% in 1:38

I'd really like 1:37, but I'm not sure I can do it from my save in central dynamo. I'll keep trying for a while yet. Stayed tuned for vids!
From: dilbert627 | Posted: 11/1/2003 11:31:17 PM
Radix:

I WANT THAT VIDEO!!!!!!!!!!1111111111

;)
From: Radix37 | Posted: 11/2/2003 12:03:20 AM
I said stay tuned :-p

I'll try for 1:37 for 2-3 more days before I go ahead and post the 1:38... and I might still keep trying after that.
From: Videogaming | Posted: 11/2/2003 12:59:04 AM
Trieze, gimme a break...

I can't think of anything more appropriate to say about Trebor then what njahnke said...

Great time Radix. That beats Cal's time for any% o_0
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From: SolrFlare | Posted: 11/2/2003 4:59:42 AM
Ridley is easy with 99 energy once you have the timing down to dodge...it just takes awhile to take him down and you can't make more than one mistake otherwise you are toast.

OP can be more frustrating but the key is to take down certain trooper types first and maximise the damage you deal while he is recharging.

Both take lots of practice...but they have not only been done, they've been done on as low as 22% without an AR...meaning all you have is the beams with no charge and a handful of missles to do it....and if you are daring...4 power bombs to use against OP as well.
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From: Treize Knight | Posted: 11/2/2003 1:34:20 PM
*looks at Radix37's time*

So, action replay can be used... That should make it interesting...

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From: N10sb2002 | Posted: 11/2/2003 1:59:23 PM
Radix: Here's an idea: go up Elite Research the fast way. The way without activating the platforms. Do you know what I'm talking about? If not, meet me in IRC and I'll send you a video.
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From: Radix37 | Posted: 11/2/2003 2:19:32 PM
Treize: I don't even own an AR, so don't even think I cheated.

n10: I already did that. Well, from 2 to 3 anyway... I use the plats to go from 1 to 2 because the way of skipping those plats isn't any faster.
From: LeCoureur103 | Posted: 11/2/2003 2:53:05 PM
1:38.... *cries*

But seriously, Radix... that's amazing. I've been working on a 100% route for some time now, and I thought it kicked ass... but I bet it pales in comparison to yours. Mind sharing? Or is it classified?
From: Andrew Mills | Posted: 11/2/2003 3:34:39 PM
@Radix

MANY MANY congrats to your 100% speed run. That's just friggin nuts! O_O

Seeing as you've pretty muched owned the 100% Speed Run for yourself, what's the chances of you writing a a 100% speed run guide/FAQ for GF's and/or Samus.co.uk?

And i'd happily pay for a copy of your run on video... =)

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From: Refreshment | Posted: 11/3/2003 6:13:06 AM
I know that Treize Knight, since a good while ago, had something of a problem with this topic and the guys that hang around here and is always looking up to ruffle some feathers.

Some of his points dont have base since there are FAQ's for sequence breacking and also videos.

But you must admit that he has the right to be skeptic since
some of does incredible times posted have no proof at all.
Just think about someone completly new to the boards that see the times, put yourself in hes shoes, what would you think?
I know must of them are posible but there are a few ones that are out of this world, so is hard to have faith in then, even if you want to, without any prove.
From: Andrew Mills | Posted: 11/3/2003 7:35:23 AM
That's certainly a fair enough point to make. I mean, I trust Radix and everyone else who do speed runs, but even for me, seeing a 1:38 100% run is quite frankly mind-boggling.

That's an extra 67% or so in only 13 minutes (when compared to the current any % WR by Kip). Which is insane. Truley insane. If it wasn't for the SB'ers credibility it would be hard to accept such times.

I personally would LOVE to see the 1:23 any % and 1:38 100% runs on video. It would be a great insight into just how it's all possible.

But yea, for newer players they do seem unfeasible, but then so does 42 minutes on Super Metroid and that's certianly possible on cart as well as ROM...

It's a shame it's hard to make/get such proof for MP compared to full small file-seized ZMV runs for Super Metroid... =(

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From: njahnke | Posted: 11/3/2003 12:33:08 PM
radix, you should post crazy_route.txt in full here. i'm sure the other s.breakers won't mind.
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From: Refreshment | Posted: 11/3/2003 1:01:58 PM
Yea Andrew, thats exactly what i think.
From: njahnke | Posted: 11/3/2003 9:33:08 AM
radix, you should post crazy_route.txt in full here. i'm sure the other s.breakers won't mind

I second that. That will be great if Radix put one, altough he promised a video.

Looking forward to it.
From: kip | Posted: 11/3/2003 1:34:08 PM
well, if radix releases his run soon, i can't see why he wouldn't also release every future run of his. in many people's eyes something like this is probably long overdue, and i couldn't dispute that. unless you know the board's history, there is no reason that i can see to believe any time.

the main reason i think nothing was released before this had to do with an issue of not being sure whether to just throw out all the hard work that went into making these times possible over all these months, just like that. it's not an issue of competition (it's a game; who would care?), it's just that when you find something that isn't known by anyone else i guess there's something that gnaws at you to keep it to yourself. i was definitely torn on my stance on this for a long time, but i convinced myself that it doesn't matter.

i've seen people refuse to do this in other games, and part of me used to wonder why they would even do something like that, but i guess part of me sort of understands in a way also.

so anyway... i don't think it would be a stretch to expect stuff from here on out to be easy to get. it's up to the individual in the end since it's their run, but i don't see all the lame secrecy lasting much longer.

it'll be interesting to see if anyone beats his time once they're actually speed running on the same conditions.
From: Radix37 | Posted: 11/3/2003 1:51:24 PM
Do you think posting just the text route is worth it, since the route will be obvious when I post the vids? Of course the vids will be a while yet since I'm still trying part12+ and I'll have to due up a page for them.

About believability: Around 7 months ago when I first heard of cal's 1:46 I thought it must be really good. Then I saw he had 2:19 for 100% and i was like "no way!". Soon I tried my own 100%, with a route he gave me, and I ended up with 2:10. Everyone wanted to see a < 2:00 for 100% but I kept saying it would not be me. Then after I did hard 100% using a slightly changed route and got 2:12, I knew my 2:10 was crap. Finally I fixed the biggest problem in the route: taking 2 minutes to get the gravity chamber missile later, becaue I couldn't get it w/o grapple. Three months later, and I've got 1:38 :-)

Tim already has a speed guide here on GF, although it was written a few months back, the main purpose of it was only to include the easy to do SB tricks in order to get a decent 100% time. Having something like crossway's missile w/o boost in a guide like that would be over the top, but I'll bet a few things I do can go in there no problem.

My time is also certainly improvable... even if I get 1:37. I lost 30 seconds in observatory because I activated everything, instead of doing the tricky dash jump to get up top w/o doing so. Other places I have many 5-10 second mistakes too, but when I have 10+ minute segments (saves are hard to come by) I have to just accept something eventually.
From: Refreshment | Posted: 11/3/2003 3:31:16 PM
the main reason i think nothing was released before this had to do with an issue of not being sure whether to just throw out all the hard work that went into making these times possible over all these months, just like that. it's not an issue of competition (it's a game; who would care?), it's just that when you find something that isn't known by anyone else i guess there's something that gnaws at you to keep it to yourself. i was definitely torn on my stance on this for a long time, but i convinced myself that it doesn't matter.

Going by that, why bother then with a score board? Altough i understand what you are trying to say. But even if someone posts the video of the run, that doesnt mean youll be detroned instantly. Remember theres the skill factor, if you have faith on your skills, then theres no problem.

Plus is not like this board is full with people, infact there are just a few that are interested in this things.

If you go to the SM boards the guys there make available they're speed runs for viewing and share the rutes. So i think theres nothing wrong with that.

BTW, i believe your speed run time, because i can picture it in my mind. If you made the video available it could be great but even without it i believe it.

However there are other runs that i cant imagine how they were achieve.
From: njahnke | Posted: 11/3/2003 5:34:11 PM
If you go to the SM boards the guys there make available they're speed runs for viewing and share the rutes. So i think theres nothing wrong with that.

again, the community's precedent takes precedence

;)

i don't mind it one bit, either...the problem of there being no runs of the 2002 metroid games available should be fixed momentarily as metroid 2002, part 2 goes online. sess's run is especially needed to combat rampant lying/faking on the fusion best times board.

the funny thing is that radix posted his time here (which is 100% (lol) legitimate) and it was attacked, and people post impossible times on the fusion board and people just accept it like oh wow, what a good time.
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From: LeCoureur103 | Posted: 11/3/2003 5:53:06 PM
If nobody minds, I'd like to post my 100% route to get some feedback on whether or not it's as efficient as I suspect. If no one cares, then meh. Just give me the word.
From: Tzyr | Posted: 11/3/2003 7:29:04 PM
You can always post it, for I am sure people will give opinions on it. Now, my 100% route is different from Radix' for he loves his grapple beam..where I try to just make the jumps..now, if you post your's, we could give input on why you would choose another path..or maybe you thought of something we did not.
(grapple does make the game so much easier ;p I was able to get the quarantine missile by dashing like you posted earlier, but if you have grapple, you sure can get it a lot easier and not much slower)
From: Videogaming | Posted: 11/3/2003 8:04:35 PM
There's corruption on nearly every board with a high score topic. There's no getting around it.

Just a few months ago, we kicked out montypython for having some incredible times (they're beaten now...but they were good then), because he had some dubious traits. It was obvious he was lying because of his false routes.

And if you've ever seen the SSBM board...I don't even wanna go there. Trebor can sympathize with me on this. Corruptions are abound; strat hoarding and lying are disgustingly common. Even those with good reputations are sometimes found guilty of lying, because they are sick of other people doing it.

So it's reasonable to question times, and the person who achieves the score should be obligated to provide a strategy. However, distinguished sequence breakers like radix should be given some leeway.

And radix, I, for one, would like to see the written strat, cuz I have 56k and don't wanna dl large mb videos...
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From: njahnke | Posted: 11/3/2003 10:17:02 PM
yeah, go ahead and post, radix. should blow some peoples' minds.

oh, and do i actually deserve my name being in the route title? did i contribute anything that ended up in the final route you used? just curious, as it would be rather funny if your route were "CALFoolio-Radix" and mine were "CALFoolio-Radix-Nate-Tzyr" ;P
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From: Banks17 | Posted: 11/3/2003 10:29:01 PM
I'd just like to say that I've seen Radix's 1:38 100% run and it truly is unbelievable. It's beauty in motion, nearly flawless in execution. I can understand why people would question his claim, but once you see the run, the haze of doubt and skepticism lifts, giving birth to a new pristine vision of what exactly constitutes a "100% MP speed run". It's a very humbling experience. I would liken it to being in the presence of God himself; An occurrence so powerful in concept that upon witnessing it, you are overcome by a surreal sense of tranquility that results in your direct unification with the cosmos...

Well, maybe the unification with the cosmos part is pushing it, but you get the idea. It's Good.
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From: njahnke | Posted: 11/3/2003 10:40:40 PM
in my opinion, no one will ever even try to beat this run with the same route after seeing it. it's that good.

he just doesn't give up...he's a mutant.

for reasons that will become clear soon, i know firsthand how impossible a proposition it would be to get a better time in 100% now.
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From: Radix37 | Posted: 11/3/2003 11:03:23 PM
LeCoureur103: I'd like to see the route you made up sure... are you actually working on a speed run, or you were working on the route only at this point? After I see yours I can post mine heh. And now it's time to unveil my first ever sig :-p
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From: Andrew Mills | Posted: 11/4/2003 3:33:00 AM
I doubt that I'd be able to beat it, but if I can see and apprehend the route in my head first, I'm sure I could give it a good old crack of the whip at least... ;)

Besides, I could always set the PAL normal/hard 100% records easy enough at the very worst! ;)

I have to say that to see a 100% run in motion would truly be special as a serious MP player. SO Radix, it'd be sweet to see your guide either on Gamefaqs or via e-mail, or even on the Metroid IRC board...

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From: njahnke | Posted: 11/4/2003 9:48:00 AM
on the Metroid IRC board...

hehe...the only reason it was general metroid and not the mhq irc channel is that i was in there. :P
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From: dilbert627 | Posted: 11/4/2003 9:08:14 PM
Well, maybe the unification with the cosmos part is pushing it, but you get the idea. It's Good.


HAHAHAHA! I look forward to it.

And personally, I would much rather have a video than a text guide. It was a video on the Metroid Speed Run site that really got me into the whole speedrun thing in the first place. It also helped my technique out quite a bit by seeing the path, tricks, etc. Of course, I'll probably need both in Prime because I will be 'How did he do that ?!?!' ;-)
From: Amasawa | Posted: 11/4/2003 10:17:12 PM
Don't pay any attention to Treize Knight. Even when he appears to show up (yet again) to express doubt over things he's been proven wrong on before, rest assured he's just a figment of your imagination. I mean, he feels entitled to express his opinion that's based on personal impressions and concrete evidence to the contrary, so why shouldn't I? ;-)
From: njahnke | Posted: 11/5/2003 12:03:26 AM
pwned.
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From: LeCoureur103 | Posted: 11/5/2003 6:06:08 PM
I would love to post my route, but... err... how should I?

It would be too time-consuming to give a room-by-room account, it would be too vague and leave lots of questions if I said something like "When you get this item, go clear out that area", and god knows I don't have the technology to make a video... Solutions? Anyone?
From: Radix37 | Posted: 11/5/2003 7:57:56 PM
Either just post the order of the major items or each of the 100 items... no need to go room by room. If you want to do all 100 and not post it here, you could link to a txt file offsite instead. BTW have you actually started a run, you didn't say?
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From: Videogaming | Posted: 11/5/2003 8:11:00 PM
Where can I see this video, and is it available for download?

And regardless, I would like to see a text version of the route, if you don't mind.
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From: Treize Knight | Posted: 11/5/2003 8:42:28 PM
This is your figment of imagenation speaking...

I might as well recite a line from the Movie Super Troopers on what I think of the 1:38 min speed time.

"Bull****"

You can e-mail me a video of it, and if you do pull it off, then I will give you my regards, but fighting all the bosses eats up to 30-40 mins, so how can you get everything else?

Hmmm... I think I'll go for the speed run, using the techniques of the champion of course... ^~
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From: Banks17 | Posted: 11/5/2003 9:53:22 PM
You can e-mail me a video of it

I don't think Radix would bother sending you a 500+ mb file just to prove you, a newbie, wrong. XD
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From: Cpt Izumi | Posted: 11/6/2003 1:58:24 AM
radix is there anyway i can see your 100% run?? do you have it up on a website or anything? thanksss!
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From: njahnke | Posted: 11/6/2003 11:40:54 AM
he's going to post it so you can download it after he gets his final time. :)
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From: Treize Knight | Posted: 11/6/2003 5:54:36 PM
"You can e-mail me a video of it
I don't think Radix would bother sending you a 500+ mb file just to prove you, a newbie, wrong. XD"

A newbie? Old your tounge lad... I've been on the Nintendo front since the days of game and watch. Hell, I even was able to get a bag of rice from when Nintendo produced those... From a transporation company, love hotels and cards, to electronics. Ahh the times have changed so much.

You youngins always have to be the best at everything you do, can't you just sit back in the awe of how technoligy has progressed? Listen to the music composed? Read the story and think about it? Bah, all you care about is a small ledge which you can jump on to get a place you wouldn't be able to.

But a 1:38 minute game including all the bosses and getting all the items with no cheats and some sequence breaking. Don't make me laugh, it is improbable that sure a feat could be attained.

Now ya disreaspectful little welps, I'm going to do what was intended for the game, to be enjoyed and not be turned into a competition...

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From: Banks17 | Posted: 11/6/2003 6:25:55 PM
I'll get around to reading the rest of your post after I stop trying to figure out how to "Old" my tongue.
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From: Toozin | Posted: 11/6/2003 6:28:54 PM
You youngins always have to be the best at everything you do, can't you just sit back in the awe of how technoligy has progressed? Listen to the music composed? Read the story and think about it? Bah, all you care about is a small ledge which you can jump on to get a place you wouldn't be able to.

You can only awe at the music and technology so many times before you want to start jumping on things.
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From: njahnke | Posted: 11/6/2003 6:33:59 PM
isn't a game defined as a competition with something or someone?
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From: Banks17 | Posted: 11/6/2003 6:55:43 PM
A newbie? Old your tounge lad... I've been on the Nintendo front since the days of game and watch. Hell, I even was able to get a bag of rice from when Nintendo produced those... From a transporation company, love hotels and cards, to electronics. Ahh the times have changed so much.

You bought rice from Nintendo? Am I supposed to be impressed? I, um, bought some Nintendo combo cereal back in the late 1980's that had both Mario and Link on the box. PH34R~

You youngins always have to be the best at everything you do, can't you just sit back in the awe of how technoligy has progressed? Listen to the music composed? Read the story and think about it? Bah, all you care about is a small ledge which you can jump on to get a place you wouldn't be able to.

First, you assume that we're young. Most of us are actually in our 20's, and of course we listen to the music and read the story. But the fact is, this game has been out for almost a year and we've moved beyond the initial stage of aesthetic appreciation and story immersion. We've done the same thing that has happened to Super Metroid; Enhanced our enjoyment of the game further by invoking methods and techniques that allow for the fastest completion time possible.

But a 1:38 minute game including all the bosses and getting all the items with no cheats and some sequence breaking. Don't make me laugh, it is improbable that sure a feat could be attained.

Well seeing as how Radix worked on the run for roughly 3 months, and a select few have actually seen the videos, then it sure as hell is possible. When people such as yourself mock the authenticity of someone's work, it makes the creator of that work beam with joy because he's done something someone can only imagine possible with the assistance of a cheating device. Quite a compliment you're giving Radix there.

Now ya disreaspectful little welps, I'm going to do what was intended for the game, to be enjoyed and not be turned into a competition...

We're disrespectful? You're the one coming into our thread accusing a respected and credible speed runner of cheating. And as for "playing the game as it was intended" and "not making this into a competition", then you shouldn't care about what we have to say in this thread. Just because someone is better than you at a video game through months of practice and possesses incredible amounts of skill is no reason to attack them. We're not rubbing Radix's accomplishment in anyone's face. The purpose of this topic is to keep a record of those who have the skill to beat the game as fast as possible. You chose to enter this topic, and I feel that because you are so jealous of Radix's abilities you attempted to degrade his achievement by claiming he cheated.

There's only one word that can accurately describe your pettiness, ineptness, and lack of maturity, and that word is: Newbie
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From: Gameboy2003 | Posted: 11/6/2003 6:59:21 PM
Actually make that n00b
A newbie is new to something.
A n00b is a jack***.
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From: Treize Knight | Posted: 11/6/2003 7:01:13 PM
It's simple on how you "old" your tounge, you just have to figure it out.

Also a game is a compeition, but this is so easy to lie about, there's no creditblity to it. I might as well try the escape run and see how I do, and we'll see if I am beliveable...

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From: njahnke | Posted: 11/6/2003 7:16:02 PM
easy to lie about, easy to prove you did it. coming to home video this month!
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From: Shere Khan | Posted: 11/6/2003 7:20:25 PM
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From: Shere Khan | Posted: 11/6/2003 7:22:40 PM
Well treize, since you're so certain that radix and everyone else are lying about this (even though you've been proven wrong every time you've tried this crap before, I question how old you can really be if you still haven't learned how to learn from your mistakes)

Why don't you try putting your karma where your mouth is. How does this proposition sound:

If Radix provides proof within the next few days of his claim of 1:38 100% (or 1:37 if he manages to redo the last segments well enough to get that) you will account suicide your Treize Knight account. If he can't, then I will suicide this one, as well as proclaim you the greatest and most correct person ever, and I will denounce radix and all sequence breakers as the liars they are in the most flashy and mightiest account suicide ever. But yours has to be good too if you lose, also admitting what an ass you are and how you don't know jack about anything. What do you say?

Not so sure of yourself anymore?
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From: Videogaming | Posted: 11/6/2003 7:32:18 PM
Arguing with Treize is fruitless...trust me, I've tried before.

Some skepticism is healthy, but Treize's level of it is offensive, bullheaded, and ridiculous.

So, please go away.
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From: BlackMaurader | Posted: 11/6/2003 7:51:22 PM
*me switches topic away from flaming*

I have two questions, again... is there any way that you can scale Root Cave and collect the missile expansion at the top w/o the grapple beam? And can you do the same in the Furnace and get the missile expansion there w/o the boost ball/powerbombs/spider ball?

I'm trying LC's highest-%-before-Flaahgra run for kicks. Currently at 25%. I've also decided that the artifact of nature is uncollectable w/o a totally perfect run through (getting health refills from the grizbys on the first platforms, the burrower (and not getting hit by it), a couple puffers, dodging the magmoor, pre-opening the rock pillar before running through, and not touching lava once). :/

I have yet to try the missile expansion in Firey Shores. I don't think I want to. >_<
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From: Treize Knight | Posted: 11/6/2003 8:08:36 PM
Well Shere Khan, I am willing to put my money where my mouth is. I was wrong before about some of the tactics employed, but if this deal is to take place, I want to see the ENTIRE video of it. Although it is fruitless since the video could easily be edited, unless I time it and make sure all the items were collected.

Some choice, but if you can prove it with video footage and I can personally confirm it and that all items were collected and no tampering was commited. I'll gladly commit sucide at this forum and repent for the "stupidy" I commited.

You're on.

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From: Shere Khan | Posted: 11/6/2003 8:47:09 PM
From: Treize Knight | Posted: 11/6/2003 5:08:36 PM | Message Detail

Well Shere Khan, I am willing to put my money where my mouth is. I was wrong before about some of the tactics employed, but if this deal is to take place, I want to see the ENTIRE video of it. Although it is fruitless since the video could easily be edited, unless I time it and make sure all the items were collected.

Some choice, but if you can prove it with video footage and I can personally confirm it and that all items were collected and no tampering was commited. I'll gladly commit sucide at this forum and repent for the "stupidy" I commited.

You're on.

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It's a deal then. No backies, no chicken outs or the one who does will an outcast on this board and any other he is seen on by people who know of this event.

It's thursday now, I said a few days, so let's give radix the weekend to get things up and running.

I will place the deadline for my own side of the bet at the end of this coming weekend. Midnight on Sunday night/Monday morning, gamefaqs time.

If the weekend ends and (by the aforementioned time) radix has not provided substantial video proof of his ENTIRE run, for verification by us all that all items were collected and no tampering done, I will hold up my end of the bargain and suicide as I promised.

If at any time between now and then, he DOES provide said proof, you will do as you have agreed, and suicide and repent.

Let the wait begin.

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From: njahnke | Posted: 11/6/2003 9:13:15 PM
using a slightly modified route from the one radix was doing, i successfully completed the game with 100% pickups and a clear time of 1:50.

this run originally had two purposes:

1) radix encouraged me to try to beat him, which obviously would make him slack less. this was a success, especially at the beginning when i was ahead of him after the frigate.
2) to have a prime run to post on my site. at the time (mid-august), i felt it was necessary to show that my site was worth visiting, and the #1 or #2 best 100% run in the world would be an attractive bit of content. unfortunately for me, this purpose vanished by the time i was fighting metroid prime. i can say i learned a lot from the run, though, and it was pretty fun.

everyone (who has quicktime) will be able to see my run on metroid2002.com after the launch of m2k2, part 2 on 11 november (this tuesday).

until then!
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From: Tzyr | Posted: 11/6/2003 9:44:50 PM
BlackMaurader, you cannot get the furnace expansion without spider (you can get the the last ledge though..but because it curves out, you just cannot get up there). If you want to try it, go right ahead for it would be a great find.
I made you a video of the root cave dash. I even went up to the expansion so you can see where you jump even though the platforms are invisible. Sorry about the sound though..not sure what is up with that. Hope you have windows media player.
http://houseplant.tk/brian/root_cave_dash.wmv
Hope that helped.
From: CtrlAltDestroy2 | Posted: 11/6/2003 10:33:23 PM
I admit that I'm kinda jealous of Radix. I've wanted to smash my screen several times trying to do a speed run... I just don't think I've got the stuff to do it fast. I give up. I'll never make a world record *sniff*

However, Last night I wanted to see if I could beat the entire game in one sitting for my first time. I simply played played played, Saved sometimes, never re-loaded the game, went out of my way for several extra items, and tripped over many sequence breaking tricks, having to try them 3 times... I took my time... Every time I screwed something up, I'd say to myself "I'm Sooo glad this isn't a speed run." and I'd keep going. It was a wonderful feeling. I even forgot the artifact in the chozo ice temple, and I had to go get it before I went to my ship for the last time.

Well, I saved in the ship right before Ridley, and my mom knocked on my door and told me to go to bed *darn!* So I hit the power button and went to bed. Next morning I was curious to see what my time was.

2:01!!!!!!

WOW!!! 2:01 before Ridley. And I made so many mistakes... Do you think I got what it takes to break time recors?
From: Cpt Izumi | Posted: 11/7/2003 2:39:11 AM
i can't wait to see radix's video
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From: funkytoad | Posted: 11/7/2003 8:29:01 AM
BlackMarauder:A long time ago I tried to see what % I could get before flaahgra, and I got 25%...however, this was WITH the artifact that you get in the pillar, in that one lava room (I'm sure you know what I'm talking about). The key is, since that room with the pillar takes health much faster, kill all of the enemies in the first room as you run through, but leave the health. Then once you get the artifact, grab the health on the way back. By doing this, you'll be more health efficient, and make it fairly easily. Also, you need to make a preliminary run, just to destroy the pillar =P
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From: njahnke | Posted: 11/7/2003 9:47:16 AM
CtrlAltDestroy2, it sounds like you have the ability to run with the best. just be really persistent and don't take a segment until you get it all right (or very, very close to all right, anyway. ;)

and funkytoad, sup, long time no see (or long time i've never seen you in person, period ;P)
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